Michelle: So I know it's a favorite topic of yours, but what made you want to present about this session? Why do you think it would be helpful?

Lisa: I think there's a misconception about lean and respect for people and the link between the two and how it works together. And it's very near and dear to my heart. I work with a lot of companies in trying to implement continuous improvement and there's this kind of missing link. And in most organizations, they approach it as kind of separate entities. And it's really, it's integrated, it's very closely linked. So for your session, I saw you wanted it to be kind of a conversation about, you know, the skills and behaviors.

Michelle: Could you talk a little bit about the format you were thinking?

Lisa: The basic, you know, what makes good leadership? There are lots of programs out there about leadership and what makes good leadership. And I think it's very well known what those elements are. And what we struggle with though is how do we actually do it. How do we achieve it? And the way we learn is through experiences and conversation and sharing and trying. When I work with companies to help them improve their leadership and integrate this whole human side, this respect for people side into their lean programs. What I try to do is I try to create this conversation around what is good leadership and how do you achieve it. And so we provide experiences that they can learn from. So essentially what we're doing is we're kind of holding up a big mirror in front of people and saying, hey, is this what you want to do? Is this what you want to achieve? So they can evaluate for themselves and make the shift. And so in my session, I wanna create that kind of environment where one, people can reflect on their practices and what they're doing and maybe think about what they might be able to do better, more effectively, but also create an environment, I heard this term, I absolutely love it, where we're kind of learning amongst friends. So we're sharing.